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and because of that the june appealed the fact that chrysler terminated these employees. they are entitled to as union employees to receive collective bargaining and have an arbitration they have reinstated it. >> who ordered it? >> the arbitrator in the state of michigan that was in charge of that area. >> the arbitrator ordered these guys back correct because they said there was insufficient evidence. there was no charges. this is suffice the fact that a reporter we spoke to mr. well check from fox 2 the news area there, he actually saw it, witnessed it, broke the story, smelled the pot, the whole thing, the moral of the story is call the cops when you walk in on union workers with or any workers that are. >> otherwise you don't have case. >> i want to be perfectly clear and you are the person to do it for the whole audience watching tonight let me get this straight the union said is this the united auto workers union, i assume? >> yes. >> to the state arbiter or to the by appoint want, all right? there is no evidence that they were drinking and smoking pot on the job.
and because of that the june appealed the fact that chrysler terminated these employees. they are entitled to as union employees to receive collective bargaining and have an arbitration they have reinstated it. >> who ordered it? >> the arbitrator in the state of michigan that was in charge of that area. >> the arbitrator ordered these guys back correct because they said there was insufficient evidence. there was no charges. this is suffice the fact that a reporter we spoke to...
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and because of that the june appealed the fact that chrysler terminated these employees. they are entitled to as union employees to receive collective bargaining and have an arbitration they have reinstated it. >> who ordered it? >> the arbitrator in the state of michigan that was in charge of that area. >> the arbitrator ordered these guys back correct because they said there was insufficient evidence. there was no charges. this is suffice the fact that a reporter we spoke to mr. well check from fox 2 the news area there, he actually saw it, witnessed it, broke the story, smelled the pot, the whole thing, the moral of the story is call the cops when you walk in on union workers with or any workers that are. >> otherwise you don't have case. >> i want to be perfectly clear and you are the person to do it for the whole audience watching tonight let me get this straight the union said is this the united auto workers union, i assume? >> yes. >> to the state arbiter or to the by appoint want, all right? there is no evidence that they were drinking and smoking pot on the job.
and because of that the june appealed the fact that chrysler terminated these employees. they are entitled to as union employees to receive collective bargaining and have an arbitration they have reinstated it. >> who ordered it? >> the arbitrator in the state of michigan that was in charge of that area. >> the arbitrator ordered these guys back correct because they said there was insufficient evidence. there was no charges. this is suffice the fact that a reporter we spoke to...
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>> well, this is a situation where chrysler fired the workers. they were embarrassed by the video of course. it went national. it went international. they fired the 13 guys pretty quickly, because they wanted to send a message that, you know, this is not the image that chrysler wants. so they fired these guys quickly. then it goes through the arbitration process. took two years. chrysler hired a bunch of lawyers, i assume. the uaw hired a bunch of lawyers, i assume. they battle it out in court. the arbitrator is like the judge, and arbitrator said these guys deserve their jobs back. now in the statement that chrysler said -- gave me, they said this happened during their off-duty time. so technically, i guess, they were not paid. even the uaw has rules where it says they don't tolerate alcohol and drugs in the workplace, but these guys were in their off-duty time them. spent their lunch getting high, having a good time, then going back to work. so i don't know. >> what was it like when you first happened upon the scene? take me back to that moment
>> well, this is a situation where chrysler fired the workers. they were embarrassed by the video of course. it went national. it went international. they fired the 13 guys pretty quickly, because they wanted to send a message that, you know, this is not the image that chrysler wants. so they fired these guys quickly. then it goes through the arbitration process. took two years. chrysler hired a bunch of lawyers, i assume. the uaw hired a bunch of lawyers, i assume. they battle it out in...
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as a result of what he found he brought it to chrysler's attention. 13 employees fired following chrysler's investigation. two suspended 30 days. all of them back at work. check this out. roll the tape. >> hey, guys, hate to be a buzz kill, shouldn't you guys building cars? the government spent a lot of money bailing you guys out and you're coming out here on lunch break drinking like this? where are you guys going, man? >> reporter: they got out but didn't essentially get away because they lost their jobs. two years later most are back, reinstated 30 days later. they were drinking out of paper bags and reportedly smoking marijuana. the jefferson north assembly plant in michigan where this was taking place, they were part of the auto industry that received what was collectively millions in taxpayer bailout money, martha. martha: interesting. good reporting. jamie, thank you very much. >> reporter: sure. bill: was that guy driving away in a ford mustang in the story? guilty as charged. see you at lunch today, martha. unions planning, another mass protest tomorrow in the state of michigan. wh
as a result of what he found he brought it to chrysler's attention. 13 employees fired following chrysler's investigation. two suspended 30 days. all of them back at work. check this out. roll the tape. >> hey, guys, hate to be a buzz kill, shouldn't you guys building cars? the government spent a lot of money bailing you guys out and you're coming out here on lunch break drinking like this? where are you guys going, man? >> reporter: they got out but didn't essentially get away...
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>> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. >> that, of course, gets four pinocchios from the washington post. political pali "politics nation" gave it a pants on fire. let's hope we can play the game inside the lines from now on. we can all have our different opinions, but we can't have different facts. the truth is the truth. is the truth. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball starts" right now . >> severely conservative. let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews down in washington. did you get the impression during the presidential campaign that the press was trying too hard to be even handed? did you think the people delivering the news were pushing what we call ambulanbalance at x expense of the obvious facts? the democrats in this election were like democrats going back to jack kennedy. but the republicans were far to the right as anything we've ever seen from that party, ever. self deportation, treat women like they belong in binders, ignore the rights of gay people, crack down on abo
>> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. >> that, of course, gets four pinocchios from the washington post. political pali "politics nation" gave it a pants on fire. let's hope we can play the game inside the lines from now on. we can all have our different opinions, but we can't have different facts. the truth is the truth. is the truth. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball...
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the chrysler workers got their jobs back. chrysler rehired the workers that were fired. let's bring in the investigative reporter that broke the story two years ago. he's been following it through. my obvious question is these guys have got their jobs back. do you get back-pay? do you know whether they do or not? >> i do not know whether they do or not. i asked that question. in fact when i talked to the girl from chrysler when i first found out about this on friday that they got their jobs back, i talked to her. i asked her a bunch of questions. i was kind of shocked and flabbergasted even though you had called it, you said they were going to get their jobs back a couple of years ago. you were absolutely right about that, stuart. but anyway, when i talked to her, i hung up the phone and i stopped, thought about it, i said my gosh i've got to find out if they are getting that back-pay. i called her back and all of a sudden she kind of clammed up and said that it was a personnel matter and she couldn't say if they got back-pay. so i could not tell you if they got back-pay
the chrysler workers got their jobs back. chrysler rehired the workers that were fired. let's bring in the investigative reporter that broke the story two years ago. he's been following it through. my obvious question is these guys have got their jobs back. do you get back-pay? do you know whether they do or not? >> i do not know whether they do or not. i asked that question. in fact when i talked to the girl from chrysler when i first found out about this on friday that they got their...
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chrysler now twice. we see that in the southern states where the transplants are without the unions. they weren't the ones who went bankrupt last -- in 2008 and 2009. so it really is a choice. it's a tough choice. and i sympathize with the unions but the fact is that in the global economy where you have to compete on wages and other elements, of the units of production, can you either have, you know, high wages with low employment or you can, as obama would say, spread around the wealth. the fact is that in the right-to-work states, unemployment is 6.9%. >> we have a graphic that shows right-to-work vs. non-right to work statements on employment, go ahead. >> and in the other stays the non-right-to-work it's 8.7. so you can choose to have fewer workers who enjoy higher inflated unnatural, if you like, wangs on uncompetitive wages. or competitive wages and more people employed. more people with the dignity of a job and less unemployment. more taxation and more activity. i think it's it the right choice bu
chrysler now twice. we see that in the southern states where the transplants are without the unions. they weren't the ones who went bankrupt last -- in 2008 and 2009. so it really is a choice. it's a tough choice. and i sympathize with the unions but the fact is that in the global economy where you have to compete on wages and other elements, of the units of production, can you either have, you know, high wages with low employment or you can, as obama would say, spread around the wealth. the...
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. >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for everyone american job. >> i'm mitt romney and i approved this message. >> of course, that's the jeep ad, michael crowley. sometimes these guys get caught in realtime, because the governor of this state and everybody said it didn't happen. >> right. well, chris, this is one of those wonderful examples where something can be factually accurate and still a complete lie. in other words, the language in that ad i believe stands up. that chrysler was going to begin, again, making jeeps in china, for chinese? >> right, right. it made perfect sense. a lot of auto companies do this. they weren't going to be moving jobs from the u.s. to china. but obviously that's the clear implication of the ad. so the fundamental message is a lie. they just covered themselves enough with the language. maybe they thought they wouldn't get called out on it. i think this ended up backfiring on them. they were desperate at that point. they were desperate to win ohio. i t
. >> obama took gm and chrysler into bankruptcy and sold chrysler to italians who are going to build jeeps in china. mitt romney will fight for everyone american job. >> i'm mitt romney and i approved this message. >> of course, that's the jeep ad, michael crowley. sometimes these guys get caught in realtime, because the governor of this state and everybody said it didn't happen. >> right. well, chris, this is one of those wonderful examples where something can be...
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chrysler said that. not the union. >> sorry, sorry. chrysler said that. so like next time something falls off your chrysler, like your steering wheel cover kind of slips off, now we know why, because you're like sailing -- 30,000 feet up high. knobs always fall off. let's get another nickel bag before i go back to work. ridiculous! >> gretchen: it speaks to the power of the union. it really does. and whatever they had in the language of their contract, the arbitrator sided with them. so they must have this sort of ironclad language. you're a lawyer what, do you think? >> well, i think chrysler is now on the receiving end of what so many others feel in states where unions are really powerful. and so they're now the ones who have to deal with it. as a legal matter, i don't think chrysler is going to be able to challenge this. i think the ruling is going to stand and maybe chrysler will rue the day they were so lax and tolerant of union power. >> steve: speaking of power. powerball, the second guy who won t
chrysler said that. not the union. >> sorry, sorry. chrysler said that. so like next time something falls off your chrysler, like your steering wheel cover kind of slips off, now we know why, because you're like sailing -- 30,000 feet up high. knobs always fall off. let's get another nickel bag before i go back to work. ridiculous! >> gretchen: it speaks to the power of the union. it really does. and whatever they had in the language of their contract, the arbitrator sided with...
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that chrysler was going to begin making jeeps in china. >> for chinese. >> right. right. it made perfect sense. a lot of auto-companies do this. obviously, that's the clear implication of the ad. so the fundamental message is a lie. they just covered thems enough with the language. maybe they thought they wouldn't get called out on it. i think they were desperate to win ohio. maybe it was a net loss. >> i think it's one of those things like voter suppression. whiplash against it. thank you so much, michael. thank you, jonathan. same with you. when we return, let me finish with the ultimate triumph this year of, believe it or not. these deals all seem great at the time... but later... [ shirt ] merry christmas, everybody! not so much. ho ho ho! this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. it doesn't matter which of our great states folks visit. mississippi, alabama, louisiana or florida, they're gonna love it.
that chrysler was going to begin making jeeps in china. >> for chinese. >> right. right. it made perfect sense. a lot of auto-companies do this. obviously, that's the clear implication of the ad. so the fundamental message is a lie. they just covered thems enough with the language. maybe they thought they wouldn't get called out on it. i think they were desperate to win ohio. maybe it was a net loss. >> i think it's one of those things like voter suppression. whiplash against...
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and remember the chrysler workers smoking and drinking during the lunch break? two suspended and they got their jobs back. that was an arbitrator's ruling. under the union contract they were on their own time. chrysler says it disagrees with the decision, can't change it, that's the example of the union's power. and tell us what you think about the workers getting their jobs back. and we'll read some on the air. more fantasy island in california, coming up after the break, why california's green energy policies just don't work and we're also going to bring you the opening bell and we've got more companies issuing special dividends before the end of the year. including the one that runs victoria's secrets. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that hes block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. relieving the pain quickly. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. an
and remember the chrysler workers smoking and drinking during the lunch break? two suspended and they got their jobs back. that was an arbitrator's ruling. under the union contract they were on their own time. chrysler says it disagrees with the decision, can't change it, that's the example of the union's power. and tell us what you think about the workers getting their jobs back. and we'll read some on the air. more fantasy island in california, coming up after the break, why california's...
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>> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced $120 million investment in michigan. 115 new jobs. michigan has helped lead the economic comeback for this country in part because of historic collective bargaining agreements between the detroit three and the united autoworkers. we have a labor management partnership that works. this, as you said was about politics. it was about gutting organized labor and the irony is i work for a labor management fund connected with a laborer's union and we invest almost $5 million a year in apprenticeship and training programs. we operate skilled workers to build complicated infrastructure projects like the governor wants to build in this state. so it will make michigan less competitive. it puts us in a race to the bottom with low-wage, low-skill states, that's bad for our state. >> eliot: tim, you were one of the leaders in the legislature. many of us looking at michigan and think is a state that voted for president obama. just re-elected debbie stabenow to the senate. you are as blue as a state can be. what explains this tension almost this schi
>> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced $120 million investment in michigan. 115 new jobs. michigan has helped lead the economic comeback for this country in part because of historic collective bargaining agreements between the detroit three and the united autoworkers. we have a labor management partnership that works. this, as you said was about politics. it was about gutting organized labor and the irony is i work for a labor management fund connected with a laborer's union and we...
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>> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because they don't put in the union political fund. >> dana: 24 states have lower unemployment rate and other states are not right to work, while shouldn't michigan, at least they have a democratic process. it's passed. the governor has been thoughtful about it. people, majority of people support it. why not let them try something that would alter history? >> kimberly: why not? >> bob: why not bad handguns in countries that don't have murder. here we ban them and it -- >> greg: the funny thing is we talk about greece, but before there was greece, there was detroit. detroit is greece. if it was only the acropolis. dead city. people left because they couldn't make a living, the unions suffocate pod tenial. >> bob: true about toledo and cleveland and cincinnati? the northern cities that hav
>> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because they don't put in the union political fund. >> dana: 24 states have lower unemployment rate and other states are not right to work, while shouldn't michigan, at least they have a democratic process. it's passed. the...
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. >> marine sergeant is starting up his new ride, a 2006 chrysler 300 donated by the recycle rides program. >> i drove home and then i will drive back to san diego sunday. >> he was actually looking for a car and was chose% a data base on needs. >> we chose to help military veterans. >> no one is more deserving of this donated toyota carolla than jordan stevenson. >> i was injured last december. i got shot in the left side of my head. >> jordan was shot in afghanistan. >> they told me i would never walk again, i might not ever talk again and i can stand here and talk to you now. >> he is still working bark from his head injury which paralyzed his body. >> just reenlisted. >> for another six years >> never in a million years did think that would happen. >> i'll get better. i'm going beat it. i'm not going to let them win. >> these are just the first of two cars that this body shop has refurbished. they hope to do it at least once a month. reporting from san francisco, cbs 5. >>> a rare sighting in a berkeley creek has biologist really excited. this 24-inch chinook salmon has been spotted in
. >> marine sergeant is starting up his new ride, a 2006 chrysler 300 donated by the recycle rides program. >> i drove home and then i will drive back to san diego sunday. >> he was actually looking for a car and was chose% a data base on needs. >> we chose to help military veterans. >> no one is more deserving of this donated toyota carolla than jordan stevenson. >> i was injured last december. i got shot in the left side of my head. >> jordan was shot...
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that would be president obama sold chrysler to italy which would then move u.s. jeep production to china. chrysler denied the claim. the media said it was untrue. the public was outraged. the romney campaign spread it anyway. we're back after the alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. [ male announcer ] red lobster's hitting the streets to tell real people about our new 15 under $15 menu. oh my goodness! oh my gosh this looks amazing! [ male announcer ] our new maine stays! 15 entrees under $15 seafood, chicken and more! oo! the tilapia with roasted vegetables! i'm actually looking at the wood grilled chicken with porto
that would be president obama sold chrysler to italy which would then move u.s. jeep production to china. chrysler denied the claim. the media said it was untrue. the public was outraged. the romney campaign spread it anyway. we're back after the alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other....
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right now, if you work at ford, general motors, chrysler on the line, you've got to be part of the uaw, part of the united auto workers. this would not only affect public sector workers like teachers but those private sector workers like auto workers. three bills passed, two in the senate last night, one in the house. the governor, rick schneider, very supportive of this legislation. it's expected to be taken up here again at the state capitol on tuesday. i want you to take a listen to jeff breslin. then you'll hear from the governor. >> to be pro worker, give freedom of choice to our workplace and that legislators moved promptly and efficiently, moving it through the legislature and when it arrives on my desk, i plan on signing it. >> in the state of michigan we've had a fledgling economy for some time, way down at the bottom of the list in the country. we've just started to make a comeback. bypassing right to work, that's taken that comeback and cutting the legs out from underneath t it's going to hurt the economy. it's going to hurt the state. it's going to hurt the citizens. >> the
right now, if you work at ford, general motors, chrysler on the line, you've got to be part of the uaw, part of the united auto workers. this would not only affect public sector workers like teachers but those private sector workers like auto workers. three bills passed, two in the senate last night, one in the house. the governor, rick schneider, very supportive of this legislation. it's expected to be taken up here again at the state capitol on tuesday. i want you to take a listen to jeff...
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what's happening with chrysler. what's happening with ford. >> yep. >> i mean, these are companies that are fighting back. >> coming back. >> and it is inspiring. >> they need strong unions. >> let's do a town hall meeting. >> let's do it. that was fun. we did that in new jersey on education. let's do it. >> let's go to detroit and we can talk about this, also how to revive detroit. >> michigan, you did a show for the big detroit regional chamber of commerce. >> look forward to that. >> we're all going to be there. >> in vermont, you don't need, because of the icy conditions there, a ford raptor, do you? >> oh, you need a raptor. >> i have a hybrid escape. >> raptor's a lot like the escape. >> except it has horrific gas mileage. the raptor. >> oh, the raptor. >> four miles to the gallon. >> escape gets good mileage. >> 31 in the summertime. it's fantastic. >> impressive. >>> still ahead, political analyst richard wolffe. also the president of the university of pennsylvania and author amy guttmann explains why the pe
what's happening with chrysler. what's happening with ford. >> yep. >> i mean, these are companies that are fighting back. >> coming back. >> and it is inspiring. >> they need strong unions. >> let's do a town hall meeting. >> let's do it. that was fun. we did that in new jersey on education. let's do it. >> let's go to detroit and we can talk about this, also how to revive detroit. >> michigan, you did a show for the big detroit regional...
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it is home to united autoworker and it is ford and gm and chrysler and this changes a lot for the people in michigan. >> gretchen: this is a huge epic fight. the idea that michigan is a right to work state. indiana did it 10 months ago as you know. but there is a gop house and i believe the senate is controllled stunningly by republicans and look at this revolt now. this is similar to what we saw in wisconsin . what will happen with the right to work statute. it will eexempt firefighters and police officers and end mandatory dues for public and private unions. >> brian: people have choices to check the box. we'll listen to governor rick snyder of michigan. >> in the unions are strong in michigan and they did a lot of good in terms of work issues . people wanted to join the union. but today we give the workers a choice and give them an opportunity to say do we want to belong to the union. i don't see it antiunion. workers should want to join and be part. it is a worker choice . the second thing it is economic development. we watched what went on in indiana. they have seen a significant in
it is home to united autoworker and it is ford and gm and chrysler and this changes a lot for the people in michigan. >> gretchen: this is a huge epic fight. the idea that michigan is a right to work state. indiana did it 10 months ago as you know. but there is a gop house and i believe the senate is controllled stunningly by republicans and look at this revolt now. this is similar to what we saw in wisconsin . what will happen with the right to work statute. it will eexempt firefighters...
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chrysler now twice . we see it in the southern states where the plants are. they were not the ones that went bankrupt in 2008 and 9. it really is a tough choice and i sympathize with the unions. but in the global economy where you compete on wages and other units of production . you can either have high wages with low employment or as obama said spread around the wealth. >> gretchen: michigan is the heart of the labor industry in this nation specifically whether so many cars are made and the unions are powerful there. it is emblematic and we look back on history. this move to make michigan a right to work state will be historic for that reason alone . what needs to be so clear in the discussion, it is really about choice. it is not about tamping down people's rights. it is actually moving them up and saying you now have a choice. you can pay your dues to the union, or you can choose not to pay the dues. >> steve: what happened in michigan is a great thing. because any time the government insists that you have to pay to go in and get a paycheck, that is it a s
chrysler now twice . we see it in the southern states where the plants are. they were not the ones that went bankrupt in 2008 and 9. it really is a tough choice and i sympathize with the unions. but in the global economy where you compete on wages and other units of production . you can either have high wages with low employment or as obama said spread around the wealth. >> gretchen: michigan is the heart of the labor industry in this nation specifically whether so many cars are made and...
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only would apply to public sector workers, it would apply to those workers that worked for ford, gm, chrysler, all of the unions here. so protesters here are storming through the halls of this state capital in lansing yesterday. i want you to take a listen to what one protester said. >> it terrifies me they are trying to pass this through with no discussion from the other side. no understanding of what's important in it. >> reporter: the union members that were protesting chanting things like "union busting is disgusting." it did not go through public debate, but the republican mayor here insists that this is beneficial for the workers. here's his take. >> to give freedom of choice to our workplace and that legislators move promptly and efficiently in moving it through the legislature and when it arrives on my desk, i plan on signing it. >>. the data shows it's right to work for less. it's an effort by the wealthy, by people like the right wing that they want to push workers wages and benefits down. >> reporter: that coming from the head of the united auto workers here. a labor lawyer i spoke
only would apply to public sector workers, it would apply to those workers that worked for ford, gm, chrysler, all of the unions here. so protesters here are storming through the halls of this state capital in lansing yesterday. i want you to take a listen to what one protester said. >> it terrifies me they are trying to pass this through with no discussion from the other side. no understanding of what's important in it. >> reporter: the union members that were protesting chanting...
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it would affect private workers, but also auto workers at ford, general motors and chrysler. this is very big. it does exclude police and firefighters. but this was passed very quickly. this did not go through a committee. it didn't go through public debate. so democrats are calling this a subversion of the legislative process. i want you to take a listen to the auto workers president who was here protesting yesterday and also the governor rick snider. >> to give freedom of choice to our workplace and the legislators prove properly and efficiently and when it arrives on my desk, i plan on signing it. >>. the data and facts from the right to work states show it's right to work for less. it's an effort by the wealthy, by people from the right wing that they want to push wages and benefits down. >> the argument is that it makes the state more competitive and it's going to lead to more jobs, right? >> reporter: right. when you look at the data, what we know is that union workers tepid to make more. pretty significantly more than nonunion workers. a median salary for a union worke
it would affect private workers, but also auto workers at ford, general motors and chrysler. this is very big. it does exclude police and firefighters. but this was passed very quickly. this did not go through a committee. it didn't go through public debate. so democrats are calling this a subversion of the legislative process. i want you to take a listen to the auto workers president who was here protesting yesterday and also the governor rick snider. >> to give freedom of choice to our...
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if you had gm stock or chrysler before the bailout your stock value went to zero. 92 and gm was declared bankrupt. stock holder didn't appeared and in the court stock hold ares got a real hair cut. the union won and the bond holders lost. it is it a title myth the idea that unions saved detroit. >> brian: what about the union workers who say those who are not in the union are free rider will benefit from their bargaining power with the car companies, for example. >> look the right to work is enshrined in michigan and right not to have to pay union duce is ensidelined and that is it a good thing. >> gretchen: to me, it is it the most important state that this has happened in because the autoindustry is such a hunal part of the economy there and the union is so strong there. do you agree with that? >> absolutely it is the home of the autoindustry union and the idea that michigan should revert to being a right to work state, that is it a revolution in the labor market. >> steve: we heard in the run up to the election, while the gm autoworkers wound up keeping their pensions and benefits, it
if you had gm stock or chrysler before the bailout your stock value went to zero. 92 and gm was declared bankrupt. stock holder didn't appeared and in the court stock hold ares got a real hair cut. the union won and the bond holders lost. it is it a title myth the idea that unions saved detroit. >> brian: what about the union workers who say those who are not in the union are free rider will benefit from their bargaining power with the car companies, for example. >> look the right...
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melissa: can you imagine you buy the fuel and put it among the manufacturers, chrysler, gm, toyota, especially in older vehicles and look at your manufacturers website if you're in this group, what happens with the e15 the fuel separates and ethanol in there is highly corrosive to your engine. is this new information? did we know this before? >> well, no, we've told the regulators about this we spent millions of dollars in research to try to understand that dynamic. in fact let me reiterate. in the oil and gas business we support biofuels. we're major investors and producers of biofuels but we don't think you should force more biofuels to be mixed with regular gasoline until you know its impact. other research shows it puts five million american cars that are already on the street at risk where it could have some engine damage. we think you need to look at all these other issues that are now starting to come to the surface, but regulators, the administration just moved forward mandating the fuel. melissa: what does it mean to have aaa coming in and putting out a warning, saying don't use it, a
melissa: can you imagine you buy the fuel and put it among the manufacturers, chrysler, gm, toyota, especially in older vehicles and look at your manufacturers website if you're in this group, what happens with the e15 the fuel separates and ethanol in there is highly corrosive to your engine. is this new information? did we know this before? >> well, no, we've told the regulators about this we spent millions of dollars in research to try to understand that dynamic. in fact let me...
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like the daimlerchrysler -- it is not chrysler anymore. it is a daimler plant. just walk in and talk to the management. in fact, i did talk to management. i talked to labor representatives and they talk how they worked together, these last years. he's decided to do is -- the governor, is the opposite. i talked to someone who's a union rep and he goes down to north carolina where there's a plant there, a daimler plant doing the same work. and it is a right-to-work state. >> bill: mmm. >> so they have a t-shirt there and it says "i ride, you pay." >> bill: oh, wow. freeloaders. >> free riders. so people don't have to pay a share of the cost of representation. and participating in that is such a good, american idea. isn't that responsibility? >> bill: of course. if any state exemplifies what can be done when labor and management works together it is michigan and uaw and the big three. as you say. and rick snyder just breaking with that tradition. so congressman, what happens -- i have to say for current tv, this would not have happened if our current tv's jennifer
like the daimlerchrysler -- it is not chrysler anymore. it is a daimler plant. just walk in and talk to the management. in fact, i did talk to management. i talked to labor representatives and they talk how they worked together, these last years. he's decided to do is -- the governor, is the opposite. i talked to someone who's a union rep and he goes down to north carolina where there's a plant there, a daimler plant doing the same work. and it is a right-to-work state. >> bill: mmm....